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tomorrow night, the annoying brit twit will be back on the air. they never give me an opportunity to talk to anybody but myself, even when he's sitting here. stay tuned. for now, it's "anderson cooper 360." breaking news that you'll only see here on "360" and, quite frankly, some of the details are astonishing. on a day that secretary of state hillary clinton says she is waiting for answers while the fbi investigating the killing of four americans in benghazi, libya, our sources reveal that not one fbi investigator has st stepped foot in the crime scene. the same sources say the crime scene has not been secured. and those are two deadlines, just two new pieces of information tonight. that is not all we are learning. cnn national security contributor fran townsend is joining us now. she has the scoop on all of it.
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as we often mention there is a the former white house security adviser and a member of the cia external advisory committee and she's in libya with her employer. and also with us is former cia officer bob baer. you have new reporting on the status of the fbi investigation. what can you tell us? >> anderson, it's pretty extraordinary and astonishing to me who's worked with the fbi over a decade. you understand when this happens and the fbi opens an investigation one of the first things they do is go to the state department and say please request permission for us to enter this country, libya, get to the crime scene, benghazi. please request that we have the security and ability to do that and that we will have access to the crime scene and have access to any individuals that libya takes into custody. while the fbi made that request to the state department. what we found out today from
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senior law enforcement officials while the fbi made it to tripoli they have never made it to benghazi. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. it was taking so long to get permission to go to tripoli, the fbi deployed their personnel to a location in the region so they would be closer. they have conducted interviews of the state department and u.s. government personnel who were in libya at the time of the attack. they have gotten as far as tripoli but never gotten to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be secured as we know from arwa damon's reporting and other public reporting, the state department, we don't know whether or not the state department put that request to the libyans and whether it was denied or what happened to. what we know for sure is the crime scene was never secured and the senior law enforcement official i spoke to said if we get there now it is not clear it will be of any use to us. the third and critical and
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astoonishing point to me is one of the things we have to do is question the individuals, the libyans have in custody to get to the bottom of this and understand what they are learning. in fact, they made that request with from the state department. that was denied by libya. so the fbi has to pass questions from the state department to the libyan government. they put the questions and you wait, sort of like a child's game of telephone, for that information to come back before you can follow up. not the ideal way to run an investigation. >> this is amazing information you are hearing from your sources. i want to play something for our viewers from last thursday. secretary clinton said this about this investigation. let's watch. >> we are at the early stages of an fbi investigation. the team from the fbi reached libya earlier this week. >> so she said they reached libya earlier this week. no mention of being on the ground in benghazi. you are saying they haven't been on the ground in benghazi according to your sources here. is she splitting hairs here? >> in fairness to the secretary, it may be she wanted to be coy about where in libya they were for security concerns.
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that would be understandable. but the fact is it is not clear they have even been inside of libya for very long. they had difficulty and we understand some bureaucratic infighting between the fbi and justice department on the one hand and the state department on the other. it took longer to get in the country. they have now gotten there but are still unable to get permission to go to benghazi. >> bob baer, you've been involved in a number of aftermath investigations. have you ever heard of anything like this. where whether it is bureaucratic infighting where they are not allowed in a crime scene or have you heard of anything like this? >> i've never heard of it, anderson. this is just outrageous. in the sense that libya is obviously on the edge, but i have never seen the fbi after an attack like this, we're right on the scene. it was secured by state department security officers or u.s. military.
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the fbi got right in, checked what was missing, checked the weapons and everything else that was used in the attack. i have never seen this since the takeover of our embassy in take -- tehran in 1979. it tells me, again, that libya is a precarious situation. the state department realizes that the fbi cannot fight its way in to a crime scene. the fbi has got to be secured when it arrives on the ground and there's obviously none. the libyans are not cooperating. if they are not letting the fbi talk to the people they have arrested, and frankly i think those people are probably the types, the usual suspects. they have nothing to do with the attack, but that's just my opinion. this is an investigation that cannot possibly, at this point, turn up very much useful. >> yeah, for libyans not allowing any access directly to the suspects, i mean, what does that say to you? it doesn't portend well at all? >> not at all. it is the libyans they can't decide which side they are on. this is an attack on u.s. soil.
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it was an act of aggression and if they can't tell us who did it, why and where these people are that they in fact arrested than the libyan government is on the wrong side. >> mr. lake, you broke the story in the daily beast that administration officials knew almost immediately that this was a terror attack. you say they knew within 24 hours. >> it was largely the intelligence community that collected a lot of information that clearly not only pointed to al qaeda but they were able to pinpoint one of the locations of one of the attackers, in part because this person used social media. there were a number of clues, if you will, that were outside of the intelligence community. ayman zawahiri, the head of al qaeda congratulated them for getting vengeance against one of the key jihadists who he asked them to get vengeance on. the date of the attack is another thing. in addition to that there was intelligence coming in and four attackers were identified within
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24 hours. >> eli, intelligence sources say they located one attacker using social media. did they know his exact location? >> yes. i'm -- i deliberately withheld details on that because the person, as i understand it, is still at large. >> fair enough. do we know if anyone has actually been targeted or arrested? can you say? >> at this point, i have mixed signals. there's a difference. there were 50 people or so arrested by libyan authorities. it's unclear whether they were innocent or guilty or rounding up the usual suspects. in terms of any u.s. actions, nothing has been done at this point. >> you have talked to a number of sources on this? >> yes. i would say as the story was coming out, in the aftermath of the attacks, people actually approached me and began kind of telling me what i would call the unauthorized version of events. >> fran, you also talked to a senior law enforcement source who corroborated eli lake's
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reporting that them knowing within a 24-hour period or short order that this was terrorist -- >> law enforcement sources said to me from day one we knew it was a terrorist attack and said it to me in a way to say, we're mystified by why the seniors in the administration have not been clear about that. the other thing is when you look at why hasn't this crime scene been secured? after all we know the militias and libyan government were in benghazi. they were perfectly capable of doing it. again, it underscores why has this investigation been handled -- mishandled and so differently from other international -- >> let me play devil's advocate to give the administration benefit of the doubt or point of argument. if intelligence community knew within 24 hours it was a terror attack is it possible administration officials didn't want to say that for security
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reasons or they wanted to make sure in the fog of battle often intelligence is wrong in the first few hours. >> that may -- i think the last explanation, anderson, that you offer is the most likely. this is an administration, they have been burned by putting early information out there. where then investigators and intelligence stepped back from it and they looked foolish. it may be they didn't want to say that. the problem with that explanation is, when the director of the counterterrorism center says it is a terrorist attack, the administration is very slow, even up to yesterday when the president's address to the u.n. general assembly slow to embrace this notion that it is in fact a terror attack, despite the fact -- you can't keep pointing to the film and protest when they show up with rpgs and mortars. >> that's the thing, eli, arguing against what my devil's advocate question was, they were publicly given a narrative. they were publicly linking this to that video as opposed to just saying we are investigating it.
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>> i think there are two different things going on right now. one is what happened in cairo? that clearly stemmed in part from a broadcaster who had jihadist sympathies talking about the internet video out in june. the second is what happened in libya. that has nothing to do, as i can tell, at this point, from the outrage over the video that started from a broadcaster in cairo. i think those two narratives kind of merged, at least in the telling of senior white house officials and other administration officials. >> bob, to you, what is the significance of this and i should point out, secretary clinton made the strongest statement from the administration making a link between the attack and al qaeda. but you have been saying this since shortly after the attack. what do you think is the significance of the information we're hearing tonight? >> i think it's political. i think the white house is reluctant to admit that libya has been lost or potentially lost. no administration wants to admit
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that and i think frankly we can't blame losing libya on this administration. it was in the works for a long time. there wasn't much they could do. nevertheless, we have an election coming up and no one wants to take blame for messing up the arab spring. not that they have but this is politics of washington. even when you get a smoking gun, a white house wants to cover it up or explain it away. >> bob, is it too early to say that libya has been lost? >> i -- you know, just the academic stuff about eastern libya and, you know -- i've heard today that there are multiple assassinations around benghazi and different parts of libya where people are settling scores of all sorts of stripes. it is chaotic and going back to the fbi getting in to benghazi you can't blame them because there is nobody in control of a large city and a big part of libya. they are -- that's the problem at the root of it.
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all the facts point to the fact that nobody's in control. >> fran, a lot of people will say you have societies that have been repressed for generations in a pressure cooker. the box has been open. a lot of weird things come out of the box but maybe long term there is things will move in the right direction, as the u.s. sees it. do you buy that? or how do you see it? >> the arab spring is, in fact, i think a long-term game. but what you have to understand, if it is terrorism that we are seeing and i feel confident based on everything that we know that it is. it raises the question for the administration, why didn't you see this coming? if there was intelligence about the growing presence of al qaeda in eastern libya, increasing threat and presence of al qaeda -- >> on the anniversary of 9/11 of all days. >> right. so why didn't you do more? you can't underestimate -- until you have the answer you are reluctant to call it a terrorist attack.
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i think there is real problems with how this was handled before it happened. i think that is part of what is driving the handling of it now. >> amazing reporting, fran. appreciate it. eli lake and bob baer thank you for joining us. we will have reaction from two key lawmakers. let us know what you think. obviously we're on facebook. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper. i'll be tweeting later tonight. this is remarkable. how one man survived when an avalanche, a mountain of snow came roaring down on top of him. >> we had been having gusty winds throughout the night. so that was keeping you up also. sure enough, a gust of wind came that was beyond what we had felt. i told my partner, greg, who was in the tent with me, gosh, this is a really strong gust. greg said, this isn't a gust, it's an avalanche.
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welcome back. if you're just joining us, our breaking news here only on "360." sources telling us not one single fbi agent has made it to benghazi to the scene where four americans were killed on 9/11. also the same source is telling our fran townsend and fbi requests through the state department to get to libyans to secure the scenes have gone unfulfilled. additionally, according to sources, libyans in custody have not been made available for fbi questioning and from the get-go sources say it looked like a terror attack. fran townsend broke this story moments ago. also on the phone johnny isakson and michael turner, republican from ohio. senator isakson, your reaction
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to this information? >> well, this thing mystifies me. we have an administration apparently without a policy. we're looking the other way, we're referring to the tragic death of an ambassador as a bump in the road. i do not understand the continuance of the president to look the other way and not admit this was obviously a terrorist attack. i cannot believe the fbi is not on the ground yet an there's not enough cooperation to get them there. >> congressman turner, if the fbi investigators have yet to step foot in benghazi, how is the investigation supposed to be credible? >> obviously it can't be. this goes right to the failure of this administration's policies in libya. we have to put it in context of a year ago. the president spent nearly a billion u.s. dollars with warships off the coast of libya attacking the moammar gadhafi regime for the purposes of transitioning libya without a stated policy or defined policy of who we were supporting, what we hoped to gain, the gio
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political view of those who might come to power and now the president continues to operate in an area where he has no articulated policy. now four americans are dead, our ambassador is debt and the president is yet to be able to describe what has occurred and what is the president's policy? why is it the president is operating a year after having attacked libya without a policy. >> congressman, to be fair, and support of the president and policy will point out that time was of the essence given moammar gadhafi's intention to go house to house and kill them like rats or words to that effect. you and senator jim demint have requested any diplomatic cables that might have come from ambassador chris stevens. what are you hoping to learn, senator, from those cables? >> first of all, it was myself and the senator from tennessee. >> sorry. the question was to you since
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you discovered the cables. >> first of all, cnn uncovered the diary of craig stevens at the scene. the diary said that craig stevens wrote he was in danger and on al qaeda's hit list and i cannot believe they wouldn't have sent cables to inform them of the danger and i think that is what happened. i think the state department should be forthright and know what communications they had. and if the united states state department and the country knew in advance of the attack that the ambassador felt like he was in danger of his death or imminent demise from al qaeda and we didn't take measures, that is aan appalling message to the ambassadors representing america. >> you requested them. can you subpoena the items?
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>> the committee can move forward and we talked to leadership of the committee. if they claim executive privilege and denies it, senator corcoran and i will pursue it. we think the american people, congress of the united states and the family of craig stevens deserve an answer and deserve it now. >> congressman, you have been in briefings about this. what do you make of the narrative that we have heard from administration officials about, well, it was linked to this video and it's still being investigated and we're not sure. now this reporting tonight and today that at least within the intelligence community in the first 24 hours they felt confident this was a terror attack? >> well, anderson, i don't think we can give this administration the benefit of the doubt. i think the fact they are trying to blame it on not a terrorist attack comes to the heart of the fact that this is a president that took nato and the united states into an offensive action into libya, without a clear stated policy, spent nearly a billion dollars and continues to have not a clear stated policy of what our relationship is to those who are in charge.
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the geopolitical evolution that is occurring there. at the same time is not providing the type of security that is necessary in the environment that we are in. i don't think there's anybody who in congress or the senate that can articulate what this presidenting apolicy is post-gadhafi in libya. he didn't articulate it when he began the military action and certainly isn't now leaving americans at risk. >> thank you for your time. i think it is, to be fair to the administration and there's obviously two republican members of congress. i mean, it's not clear how much the u.s. was in control of events. there were events happening around the world and events were happening in libya and the streets of egypt without the u.s. being in the forefront of it. and in many cases the u.s. was reacting, as often happens in foreign policy. the arab spring is not something the u.s. necessarily has control over. >> that's right, anderson. we have to understand that. that said, our experience tells
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us whether it is the bombings or the "uss cole." in yemen, libya, because of a weak central government -- we know al qaeda has the wherewithal to take advantage of that and they look for safe havens around the world and it seems, it appears now that is what al qaeda was doing with libya, trying to insert itself where it was a weak space and take advantage of it to our great detriment and tragedy. >> fran townsend, appreciate your reporting with your sources. thank you very much. in other news tonight -- >> in what was likely his last speech at the u.n. general assembly, mahmoud ahmadinejad called for a new world order. as he was speaking rudy giuliani was blasting president obama for not taking stronger action against iran. former mayor rudy giuliani joins me ahead. "like" the photos he's posting. oscar likes tom's photos, but he loves the access to tom's personal information.
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iran's president mahmoud ahmadinejad once again called
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for a new world order at the u.n. general assembly, one not dominated by western powers. >> translator: situation of the world and the bitter indense of history are due mainly to wrong management of the world and the self-proclaimed centers of power who have entrusted themselves to the devil. the order that is rooted in the anti-human thoughts of slavery and the new -- are response able for poverty, corruption, ignorance and discrimination in every corner of the world. >> well, ahmadinejad's remarks came a day after president obama said he will do whatever it takes to prevent iran from getting nuclear arms. today at a protest near the u.n. former mayor rudy giuliani said president obama betrayed the people of iran by not doing more to support their freedoms. strong words. i spoke with mayor rudy giuliani
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moments ago. you have been critical of the u.s. policy toward iran. saying the obama administration has a cavalier attitude. how do they have a cavalier attitude? >> the idea you are going to stop them from becoming nuclear by just saying things like all options are on the table or -- >> isn't that what mitt romney said, all options are on the table? >> mitt romney is not the president of the united states. the president of the united states should be communicating he will take military action. >> no person says we are going to bomb you. george w. bush said all options are on the table. >> i remember they did that with ronald reagan. he was pretty successful. reagan said he was going to take military action and pointed missiles and made it clear. >> so reagan said all options are on the table plenty of times. >> this was a long time ago when bush was dealing with iran. iran was five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years away from becoming nuclear. iran now could be a month away, two months away, two years away.
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under president obama iran has by three times increased the uranium and made it much more enriched than it was originally. that's a massive change in a short period of time. of course obama has a bad history of begging to negotiate. wrote a letter to the ayatollah six months ago wanting to talk to him. >> what would mitt romney do differently? mitt romney talking to george stephanopoulos said he had the same red line as president obama. >> we don't know what president obama's red line is since he won't share it with us. won't share it with prime minister netanyahu. he doesn't want to have a red line. he wants to keep it as fuzzy as possible. if he wants to do that and communicate that privately to netanyahu and the ayatollah, i'm okay with that. the reality is he wants to keep it fuzzy. my fear is iran will pass the point of no return without knowing it passes the point of no return. >> first of all, we don't necessarily know what the president has said privately to an israeli leader but he has
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said publicly acquiring a weapon is the red line. he just said it yesterday. >> we know he hasn't told netanyahu that. netanyahu is begging him to meet with him to set a red line and is he leaving netanyahu in the dark, which is a terrible mistake. >> yesterday at the u.n. he said we do we must to prevent iran from obtaining, acquiring a nuclear weapon. some are staying we should stop them from having the capable. but mitt romney used the same term when asked by stephanopoulos about acquiring a weapon. >> the reality is that's fuzzy language. fuzzy language can lead to war and confusion led to the first world war. there is no point in being fuzzy about it. >> if iran had the capability of a weapon. >> i'm worried about that because we are not concentrating on the key problem. the key problem is not iran using missiles. i think the key problem is having nuclear material they can hand off to the terrorists they are presently sponsoring. >> look at iraq. we don't have a good track record of figuring out what
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capabilities people have. isn't having the weapon the only thing we can positively say. >> i'm not sure that is right. i don't know that we don't have good capability. a lot of the iranian scientists have been killed in iran. somebody had good information about who they were, where they were living. >> you are saying that we have been fuzzy and weak in our diplomacy but in fact, besides sanctions there's been an assassination campaign against iranian scientists and online virus -- >> the assassination campaign was from assad, not us. anderson, let's be clear about that. >> we don't know for sure who it was and the involvement. >> as far as we can tell it was from assad, not us. the reality is his approach to iran has been a conciliatory one. even the sanctions, which are stronger than they used to be, there are 20 exemptions from the sanctions, including china. >> do you see a big difference between what mitt romney would do? >> i see a very clear
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difference. he would deliver a clear message. he would meet with netanyahu and sit down face-to face with the man and discuss the options. this is highly irresponsible. netanyahu has to make a critical decision. he has to decide whether for the sake of his nation he should attack iran. he is entitled to a face-to-face, eye-to-eye discussion with the president to get it straight. the president has a problem with this. bob woodward's book is all about president obama doesn't know how to act or deal or meet with people. this is a critical moment when the president of the united states has to put aside whatever personal feelings he has about netanyahu and sit down with the man for an hour or two and discuss it and more important that they discuss it is you and i discuss it. >> appreciate your time. coming up the avalanche that killed at least eight people in nepal. now a survivor speaks. >> i'm like, no, this isn't going to hit us. this is going to go by. we picked a good spot. we're in a safe zone. and the next thing you know it
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just -- we felt a slap almost. jen's car wasn't handling well.
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so i brought it to mike at meineke. we gave her car a free road handling check. i like free. free is good. my money. my choice. my meineke. extreme skier glen plake describes what happened on that mountain and how he made it out alive.
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a survivor of the avalanche in nepal that killed at least eight people speaks out. his name is glen plake. one of the most accomplished extreme skiers in the world. >> if you could be anything in the world, what would you be? >> well, i don't know. me. [ laughter ] >> throughout his career there have been many extreme moments. that is some of him doing what he does. nothing could have prepared him for when he was camped out on the world's eighth highest peak with other climbers and the avalanche hit. three of those climbers are
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feared dead and glen make knows he is lucky to be alive. how are you doing? >> i hate to say it but i'm doing very well. i had a great climb manager that didn't let me fly to a hospital or something and said if you are in good shape, why don't you walk down to base camp and taper off this mountain on your own terms. it really helped me psychologically. physically i'm just beat up. just beat up. been in a car wreck, if you know what i mean. >> an avalanche. can you walk me through what happened the day of the avalanche? you were in your tent when it happened, right? >> we had bedded down at camp three and was actually going to -- was preparing for a rest day the next day. we would have just stayed at camp three. we wouldn't have done much. there had been some avalanche awareness in the area. so believe it or not, we did, in fact, sleep with our avalanche beacons on. i had my head lamp on reading my
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daily devotions at 4:30 in the morning and we were having gusty winds throughout the night. that was keeping you up also. and then sure enough, a gust of wind came that was beyond what we had felt. i told my partner, greg, that was in the tent with me, gosh, this is a really strong gust. greg said, this isn't a gust, this is an avalanche and about a second later we were off to parts unknown. >> what was that moment like? one moment you are conscious. you are seeing things and to get hit by an avalanche, what's it like? >> i just -- unfortunately i have been in one before. i felt the wind was coming. it was coming, it was coming and the avalanche, the winds in front of an avalanche can be over 200 miles an hour. i'm like, no, this isn't going to hit us. this is going to go by. we picked a good spot.
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we're in a safe zone. and the next thing you know, it just -- we felt a slap almost. i was airborne for quite a while because i did go over through, quite a few serak, which are big ice cliffs and then i started to feel the actual rumble, tumble of an avalanche, like you have been knocked over by a wave in the ocean before. and i was thinking to myself, my gosh, this is it. this -- excuse me. i've been crying a lot. i try to laugh and cry at the same time. i said, this is it and then i don't even know. couple of seconds, who knows what later. all of a sudden i felt it come to a stop and i immediately basically started freaking out. trying to, you only have a few seconds before the snow just starts getting hard, like cement.
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>> so you are actually conscious when it hits. you are actually tumbling over and over and you remain conscious? >> yes. i was conscious throughout the whole thing. what's interesting is the sun was not up yet. when i finally came to a stop, i started thrashing about to try to make an air pocket or something. i realized i'm on top of something but i'm on top of the surface but i'm still in the tent. i'm thrashing about and i can't rip the tent open. and i realize, wait a minute, i'll just unzip the door. but what was really surreal is i had been reading before and my head lamp was still on my head and producing light so even though it was dark everything was really light and it took me a few minutes to actually comprehend what was happening and then i realized, oh, my head lamp's on. anyway, as soon as i got myself out, i immediately started screaming and yelling and then
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went to a rescue mode for my friends. unfortunately, remy, no sign of remy whatsoever. he's literally disappeared. nothing near or associated with his tent visually and greg, even though he was sleeping right next to me. everything that we had in that tent i found except his sleeping bag. >> so they are both still missing? >> they are both missing and for sure -- i came to rest at about 6,300 meters or so. so more than 20,000 feet. your time is very limited there. again, it was our first day at that altitude. with the rest day planned, i myself was basically standing in my skivvies with no shoes or anything on. and in the process of thrashing
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about i had thrown greg's backpack and his sleeping bag were the same color and as i threw it, i realized there was a radio in that. i was able to contact our camp manager, our climb manager and say i have been hit by an avalanche, greg and remy are missing. i can't talk right now i have a rescue to attend to. called them back five minutes later. i still can't talk to you. i appear to be okay. i'm still in rescue mode. this went on for about 20 minutes or so. and i realized i'm not in rescue mode anymore. i'm in my own survival mode and realized i better put clothes on and get something shoes on because things were starting to get pretty cold. >> how do you, it is so recent, i don't know if you have had time to even process it. how do you go on from something like this? your two friends are missing. will you climb again? where's your head right now?
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>> again, fortunately, i was advised by an old veteran to not just jump on a rescue helicopter and took his advice. i can honestly say in the seven hours it took me to walk back to base camp, i was able to, let's say taper off of the situation. i wasn't just plucked out of an emergency situation and sitting in a hospital or something somewhere. we had some dirty work to do. i had to call remy's wife. i had to call greg's father and i also had to -- there's nine other people involved in this thing, too. so the scene around base camp was kind of interesting. i kind of stayed there. as far as my head is concerned, i was able to leave the mountain, i guess, on my own terms. >> i don't want to ask anything too personal.
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how do you make those calls to your friend's loved ones? >> it's a pretty intense roller coaster for sure. right now i'm on a kiddie roller coaster. for a while any person i saw i burst into tears. and right now, i'm still not completely stable, but i'm -- they're hard. of course they're hard. gosh. and the sad thing about this whole thing is, remy and greg are missing. >> what do you want people to know about them? >> remy, his greatest flaw was he was too enthusiastic. [ laughter ] isn't that a great flaw to have. >> that's a good flaw to have. yes. >> he's always like, let's do this, let's go over here. isn't this great? i mean, we had been trekking and everything and we finally got to put our skis on the first day.
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just to slide a little bit. it was the first day, the day after christmas and you got a new pair of skis. i'm like hang on, remy, mellow out. and greg, i never really knew greg. this was the first expedition together but he was, again, a great guy to travel with. you go on an expedition with someone you don't necessarily know and share a tent with somebody for a month and he was just -- he really enjoyed where he was. he really enjoyed the culture and the sherpa was -- he was always in the cook tent making jokes with the sherpa. any spare time. really enjoyed the -- the summit is the summit. you go on a six-month trip and make one ski run and one summit. that's not actually what it is all about.
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and greg really enjoyed every minute and every moment of the trip other than the summit. you know what i mean? it was just great. cruising around kathmandu. he was all over the place. really enjoyed the local setting an the travel aspect of the adventures. that's what these things are. they are adventures, whether it is sailing trip or a climbing trip or something. >> a young journalist i knew in somalia named dan elden who died in somalia was killed, wrote in his journal, his journal entry is called the journey is the destination. i think that's a lot of what you're saying. >> absolutely. i can say it was an adventure. he really enjoyed that. he was a wonderful person to travel with and wonderful skier. his french ski instructor, we never let him down. he's kind of, you know, it's -- it's just funny.
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great stories of some pretty high fullutent people that were his clients. it was very nice getting to know him. it breaks my heart that i wasn't able to -- i thought for sure he was going to be right there and we were going to be -- not a cynical laugh but going, oh, my gosh, we're alive, dude. >> glen, i'm sorry for what you have been through and your friends that are missing an our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families right now and i appreciate you talking to us, glen. >> appreciate you guys caring. this is not an ordinary event. we're not adrenaline junkies. this is catastrophic. this thing -- there's 30-year himalayan veterans staring up at this thing going, i can't believe what i'm looking at. this is a disaster. this isn't an avalanche. >> thank you again. stay strong. >> thank you guys.
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god bless. he did me today. >> certainly did. remarkable story. coming up, the video of students being pepper sprayed. you probably saw the video. some sued. today they found out how much money they could collect. details coming up next.
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a "360 bulletin." an opposition group says 343
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people were killed across syria today, the deadliest day since the conflict began. 4 were killed and 14 wounded in on attack on a military facility in damascus. the free syrian army and opposition force is claiming responsibility. in greece, thousands marched in athens to protest austerity measures. the first general strike since greece's new coalition government was formed in june. a preliminary settlement has been reached in a class-action lawsuit filed after this video went viral on you tube last a year. the university of california is offering $30,000 to each of the 21 plaintiffs who were pepper sprayed at an occupy encampment on its davis campus. acting on a new tip, police plan to take soil samples at a home in michigan to see if hoffa is buried there. he vanished in 1975. it is one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century. we'll be right back.
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time for "the ridiculist." tonight there is a whole new way to go totally overboard with kid's birthday parties because let's face it the usual birthday party fare, it's pretty burned out. >> you have had the chuck e cheese, clown party, the bounce house party. >> i'm familiar with clowns. i have heard of chuck e. cheese. that's vegas for kids. right? but what is a bouncy house party? 'more importantly, how can i go about getting invited to one? i have been to pool parties but who wants to go to another pool party, yawn. >> when you say you will have a pool party, that's nice. but we will have a pool party with a gator. everybody comes. >> wait. that guy doesn't really take alligators to people's pool parties, right?
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that can't actually be happening. that can't be good for gators. we need a reporter to get to the bottom of this. >> if you put them on the guest list he's guaranteed to show up. this gator makes house calls. >> i stand corrected. the guy takes alligators to pool parties. when you think about it, what better way is there to spice up a pool party than throwing a live gator in with the kids. happy birthday susie, go play with a carnivorous reptile. why stop at alligators? throw in some snapping turtles, great white shark. they can play marco polo with the youngsters and it is good for the gators. i'm sure that chlorine is good. the most important part is being the first one on your block to throw an alligator pool parties. >> both of my daughters have had their parties this way and first to do it. >> i get it, something different. it is kind of cool. they can learn about alligators hoping the tape doesn't come

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